I have the at3w in 235/65/17. Haven’t seen anybody else run them in this size as I think it’s new. The 235 has a different tread wear rating than the other at3w sizes so it’s a little less blocky on the shoulders. It’s a bit more aggressive than the AT trail but not aggressive like a ko2. I think it looks perfect on an outback and didn’t seem to negatively effect mileage. Here’s some pics. Disregard the flat, ran over a screw.

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I believe AT3w Thread depth is deeper than AT Trail, but do they have exact same sidewall design? I am not sure if AT3W looks more aggressive than AT trail from the side view.

 

Side profile. This is on a 2018.


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Sidewalk design is different between at3w and at trail. At3w will have deeper tread and more beefed up side lugs. The 235 at3w is a good moderate step up from the at trail.


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Side profile. This is on a 2018.


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Stock suspension or lifted?

 

I've put about 20k miles on my at3w's and have no complaints. As others have said the sidewall lugs aren't as pronounced as on the 245/65/17 but not a deal breaker. Here is a close up and full picture of when they were new.

 

Great tire.
5K on my 235/65/17 - fantastic tire.

 

Falken Wildpeak A/T Trails

Falken Wildpeak AT3W

Something is strange about these specs because the overall diameter and the revs per mile are inversely proportional and yet the trails are listed with a slightly bigger diameter yet more revs per mile so something is a mismatch or typo in here.

 

Maybe different sidewall compliance? Just a theory. Interesting difference in tread width. Also of note, AT3W has UTQG Traction grade of "B" versus "A" rating on Trails.

 

Sorry to derail a bit @vegascamper but how is the AT Trail heavier than the AT3W?

 

The Trail has a higher load rating (XL) and a wider tread, making it heavier.

 

So at3w is slightly narrower but has deeper tread than AT trail. It’s also a tiny bit smaller but is also significantly lighter. IMO the at3w is a better looking tire, that’s why I chose it. Along with the fact that the 235 size was lighter than both the 225 and 245 and the AT trail equivalent. The 2.5 motor needs all the help it can get so weight was something I was looking at especially going to a bigger diameter tire.


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I wonder if the increase in tread depth on the at3w has to do anything with the less revs per mile shown on that chart? I assume the diameter would include any difference in tread depth but who knows.


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What are the major differences between Toyo Open Country AT3 and Falken's Wildepeak AT line up?

here is a visual, for discussion:

from left to right, the AT is least aggressive offroad, otoh, the smoother tread pattern, and close block spacing, is quieter, and gets better fuel mileage. otoh, close block spacing does not work in mud..

What is your intended application for the tires? what percent of your driving is offroad?

me personally, I recommend NOT driving in mud.

as far as those 3 tires, Im a fan of the Toyo, but.. do some fact checking.. find out the weight of each of the tires you are considering.

Heavy unsprung weight is very bad on pavement. It can overwork the suspension, and it reduces braking power. For a road car, I would not choose the heaviest weight tire. I have not checked, but my guess is the weights follow the photo sequence.. aggressive tires are heavier.

so, decide how much you really need (want) an aggressive tire.. do you go offroad often? Even if you just want the Toyo cause they look badass.. there is nothing wrong with that.. even if you never go rockcrawling. Just be prepared for some added tire noise on highway, a drop in gas mileage, and shorter replacement interval.

Im a fan of BFG AT KO also.. I dont really care about gas mileage.. I prioritize snow performance (dont know if that is part of your world), so I buy Nokian WR-G3 for my subaru, and BFG AT KO for my Real 4WD vehicle.

aggressive tires are for aggressive terrain, and best suited for vehicles that go off road. They are not quiet, and they dont last as long as a less aggressive tire. But they Rock offroad.

this is really mostly about how much you want to spend.. and how cool you want your car to look. (first world problem) LOL

personally, I like expensive stuff, so I would not choose Falken (cheapo). I would go Geolander if I wanted cheap.

 

I wouldn’t worry about it unless you are planning on being loaded to the vehicles capacity, towing at capacity, or off-roading really hard. Method prides themselves in having a strong wheel so of course it’ll have a higher rating and be heavier.


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So the AT3W is "more" energy efficient on the road?

 

In this case where we are comparing the 235s it might actually be. The at3w is narrower and lighter than the AT trail on paper… which are both characteristics that will give you better efficiency. But the at3w does have a further tread block spread so the tread will have more rolling resistance. I’d guess that the difference between the two is negligible.


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For some reason the Gen 5 axle load rating is different than the Gen 6. The Black Rhino Boxer just makes it over the 1/2 highest axle figure for the Gen 5 and just under it for the Gen 6. In reality this may not matter.

People use WRX wheels on Outback with no broken ones that I am aware of but the WRX wheel's load capacity is probably lower than what an Outback should be specified for.

Another mitigating factor is tall sidewall tires tend to spread the load and shield a wheel from dynamic loads (e.g. potholes) that would break or bend them, unless you drift sideways into something.

 

I'm looking for an AT tire for light off-roading and towing a ~1200 lb. camper trailer. I'm currently stuck between the Falken Wildpeak A/T3W or the Toyo Open Country A/T III in 235/65/17, which one is "better"?

Thanks!

 

There was just a thread recently started comparing these exact tires and size. A bit of searching and I’m sure you’ll see it. But to sum it up, they’re comparable. Wildpeak will probably retain a bit of gas mileage, marginal though. In my personal opinion, when the stats are this close, it comes down to which one do you think looks better. Both are relatively new tires on the market but are proven competitors. You really can’t make a bad choice here.


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Threads merged! 👍

 

There was just a thread recently started comparing these exact tires and size. A bit of searching and I’m sure you’ll see it. But to sum it up, they’re comparable. Wildpeak will probably retain a bit of gas mileage, marginal though. In my personal opinion, when the stats are this close, it comes down to which one do you think looks better. Both are relatively new tires on the market but are proven competitors. You really can’t make a bad choice here.


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Hey guys! My son and I just made a short video / review based from three months of road time on Toyo Open Country A/T IIIs (225 60 r18) on a '18 Touring 3.6. Loads of photos and some cool off-road vids. Enjoy!