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Another thread about longevity--a dilemma

1.1K views 14 replies 8 participants last post by  KC In the Yards  
#1 ·
I am nearing retirement (not MY longevity, y'all! :D). My '16 OB was purchased new in 2016. I was a realtor in a semi-rural area then and the first two years I put on 130,000 miles. I had all service done at the dealer. In 2019 I had already moved states and then the pandemic hit, then I moved to a walkable neighborhood, work from home, and do not drive it very often, sometimes a whole month between trips. The last 80k miles have been a few months of commuting 100 miles a day before COVID, a few cross country trips, including hauling a 10ft Uhaul across the Rockies in the dead of winter (I fixed that low riding trailer in the photo before I left), and as a camp vehicle for my photography hobby since then. I use my hitch for a bike rack or tray, and I am thinking of getting a gear trailer like a Space Trailer, then going to a rooftop tent. It still gets 34 MPG on road trips.

It mostly sits in the parking lot, starts up and takes me where I want to go, everything inside works, the outside is a little marred from apartment living, and it runs well. I had the DNC disabled due to 6 batteries replaced (THREE under warranty!) and that's been fine since. Last month I replaced a radiator hose and some other hose they found with a leak under there. A very reputable shop, who I think will not push unnecessary things. They saw valve seepage but considered it normal and expected and not yet a concern. It does burn a little oil.

The dilemma is:
If this is my forever car, then should I put it on a plan to really keep it forever, up until I can no longer drive, which could be 25 years given my genetics;​
Or, trade for a newer, more techy, more camping friendly (i.e. bigger) vehicle while I am still working.​
Pro on keeping it: I love it, it's paid for, it's reliable, I can pour way less than I would pay for a new car into it and keep it going to 400k (I have kept three cars into 300k territory in my life)

Pro on trading it: Bigger vehicle for camping, hauling kayaks and bikes and other stuff (a 4Runner would really fit my lifestyle, but $$ and may really be overkill); newer technology, possibility of a hybrid engine, could go to more places, wouldn't have to baby it as much. I cannot stand to have to rely on an unreliable car.

If I could get another brand new Honda Element, this would be an easy decision. That should give you an idea of needs vs. wants.

Secondly: If I decided to keep it, what should I plan to replace, and what would I proactively do--not just maintenance--to give it another 200K miles/20 years? (20 years is doable at this pace but I do plan on more road trips after retirement.)

Should I start saving up for a new engine? New transmission? (knowing I may never need it)
Would you schedule a change for the timing chain?
Those damn yellowed headlights--I think I'm going to replace the whole damn units anyway--they don't stay clear.
Should I definitely change the CVT fluid?
What else you you plan for?

I understand that even if I keep it I may still end up having to replace the car in retirement, simply because of reliability or I just can't do the things that I do now. That sort of leans me to getting those 200K on a newer car anyway, although I can't spend the next 20 years in a small car.

Thanks for reading this far. I've been puzzling over this for about a year now. What would you do?
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#3 ·
Brakes were done last year, oil changes are on schedule with air filters, I am assuming radiator fluid was done when they replaced the hose last month. The differentials were done before I moved here.

Probably never MAF, PVC, or throttle body. I am pretty sure I did the CVT at my old dealer, been meaning to call them.

Should I plan on doing those prophylactically?
 
#4 ·
I have recently been thinking about “modern” vehicles and I have come to the conclusion that I do not think I could ever own any vehicle made between 2019 to 2022.

The reason I have concluded this is due to the fact that there seem to be so many “strange” problems in all makes and models in this year range. Typically the problems are with all the “bells and whistles” (cockpit control units, various sensors for things such as reverse braking etc). While these are not “key” systems they still are integrated vehicle systems and I just don’t think the vehicles in this range of years will be around when they are 15 or 20 years old.

The vehicles since 2023 seem to be much more reliable and therefore I think I will be waiting to get one of those year models in the future.

Getting back to the original topic I think you should keep the vehicle you have and continue to keep it well maintained. In the future if/when you need and can afford a newer vehicle consider getting a 2023 or newer vehicle.

As far as Hybrids go, with the type of use you describe I would be choosing a vehicle without a lot of newer technology (hybrid/EV) as that will ultimately make the vehicle more reliable in remote locations.

Seagrass
 
#5 ·
I have recently been thinking about “modern” vehicles and I have come to the conclusion that I do not think I could ever own any vehicle made between 2019 to 2022.

The reason I have concluded this is due to the fact that there seem to be so many “strange” problems in all makes and models in this year range. Typically the problems are with all the “bells and whistles” (cockpit control units, various sensors for things such as reverse braking etc). While these are not “key” systems they still are integrated vehicle systems and I just don’t think the vehicles in this range of years will be around when they are 15 or 20 years old.

The vehicles since 2023 seem to be much more reliable and therefore I think I will be waiting to get one of those year models in the future.

Getting back to the original topic I think you should keep the vehicle you have and continue to keep it well maintained. In the future if/when you need and can afford a newer vehicle consider getting a 2023 or newer vehicle.

As far as Hybrids go, with the type of use you describe I would be choosing a vehicle without a lot of newer technology (hybrid/EV) as that will ultimately make the vehicle more reliable in remote locations.

Seagrass
I have similar concerns about new tech that is not vetted. Aside from the radio being a little wonky sometimes, the eyesight has worked very well.

I will probably keep it unless I hit the lottery. Some days that percentage is 50-50. I love getting new cars. I would hate to not have that experience again
 
#6 ·
If you really need more space when camping, which I find hard to imagine but that's me, you could get a cargo topper. With my Yakima 16 I've done long weekend camping trips with 4 adults on board. Rooftop tents seem to have too many downsides to me unless maybe I'm camping in the Austrailian Outback.
 
#12 ·
I agree that a rooftop tent is not ideal for me. I would always need help installing it and in the summer it would have to stay up there. That would preclude an evening float on the kayak without getting out the trailer. I do that often after work in the summer. Sometimes the boat stays up there for weeks.

I don't mind sleeping in the back but sometimes I like to trail angel on the Pacific Crest Trail and would be nice not to have to move stuff when giving rides to through hikers.

The best solution is probably a custom mattress or platform in the back for sleeping because the uneven surface is hard on my old back.
Thanks!
 
#7 ·
While I am also thinking of retirement, I'm actually nowhere near retirement. I just like to dream about it.

I recently bought a lower-mileage 2015 3.6R Limited and love the car so much that I might make it my forever car. For me, it checks all the boxes. Deliciously smooth low-end torque, good enough MPG, great towing manners, plenty of passing power, early tech Eyesight features without the car trying to make decisions for me, still has some buttons instead of 100% touchscreen, reliability of a harmonically-balanced non-interference engine, built-in roof rack if I ever need it, massive interior cargo capabilities, and it's fun to drive. You will never find a vehicle that is perfect at everything, but this car does everything better than I need it to.

If you really love the car, and it checks all the boxes for your retirement, it could be worth keeping. I'm thinking about getting a salvage parts car with low mileage and stripping all the expensive parts, so I have discontinued factory parts when you can no longer buy them. However, if I didn't have mechanical skills and didn't want/need more power, I would probably opt for a basic 4-cylinder Honda. They run forever if you maintain them, and they are easy to repair, but they are boring.
 
#8 ·
The dilemma is:

If this is my forever car, then should I put it on a plan to really keep it forever, up until I can no longer drive, which could be 25 years given my genetics;

Or, trade for a newer, more techy, more camping friendly (i.e. bigger) vehicle while I am still working.
You've touched on something that has become a factor in car purchasing: vehicle technology. More to the point, the technology that the driver and passenger(s) interact with.

The problem is that the older the car gets, the more dated that technology becomes, and it does not age gracefully. All it takes is one mid-generation decision to install a screen across the entire dashboard and suddenly last year's model looks primitive by comparison.

The point I'm getting at is that you may want to consider how much of a factor you want tech to be in a purchasing decision. Like you said, you potentially have 25-plus driving years ahead of you. Do you want to be looking at the same displays 25 years from now, or enjoying driving the vehicle?
 
#11 ·
Just a different angle:
If I got it right, your car is almost ten years old with more than 200k miles? There is no significant economic value in it. On the other hand, now it runs well and fits your current needs, as well as the anticipated needs for the next couple of years.

I think it makes no sense to sell it now / buy a different car now. I would keep it as long as it works reliably and fits my needs. I would maintain it reasonably, but I would not burn money preventively on a car with this little (financial and sentimental) value.
When the car is no longer reliable, you still can trade it in later, without economic repercussions, and maybe your needs might have changed by then.