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Outback Diesel CVT

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#1 ·
Greetings from Northern Europe, I just got my new dark grey Outback diesel cvt from the dealer last week. Diesel I understand is not available in the US, so you guys won't hear the boxerdiesel sound. The sound is low, dark, nicely loud.

The interior is light leather, electric seats, dual climate, CVT transmission. Darkened rear windows. Looks assuring, feels solid and able. Enough kit for the sensible guy. As it is Japanese, there is no need for neighbourhood envy.

Driving the car is comforting, the transmission works fine. Mirrors are large, quality of work is good. Visibility is great. There is plenty of legroom in the back.

The car hoovers some 7,5 litres of diesel per 100 km. There is plenty of torque available.

I can't wait to have the chance to drive it in snow to know how the four-wheel-drive works. I also have a voucher for off-road training to learn the abilities of the car.

Hope this was useful, do not be afraid to ask questions or comment.
 
#4 ·
How much torque and horsepower does the engine produce?
Power: 110 kW = 150 PS = 148 hp @ 3600 rpm

Torque: 350 nM = 258 lb-ft @ 1600 to 2400 rpm

Speed: 195 km/h = 121 mph (on V-rated tires)

Accel: 0-100 km/h = 0-62 mph in 9.7 seconds

outback-preise-technische_daten-ausstattung.pdf

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#6 ·
#8 ·
Gah...envious in Canada too. My dream car...AWD diesel...

Maybe we should start an online petition to Subaru Incorporated Canada/Subaru of America to get them to bring this beast to North America. VW has a stranglehold on this market...don't get me wrong, I love my TDI but this would be an amazing offering to consumers here.
 
#14 ·
...I know but the engine is huge so that cancels out the mileage saving...at least in my books. I am used to roughly 45 to 50 mpg real world mileage with our TDI.


My lease is up in Nov 2014...I sure hope the diesel CVT is here by then... :)
I don' think it will ever get here, not unless Subaru of North America has a big change of mind
 
#15 ·
Ooooo, nice low end torque, I miss that. Right in the gasser OB's dog zone (took me a while to remember how to wind out a gasser for power, coming from 2 diesels).

I prefer diesels just for the quiet, low rpms; it just seems easier to drive. Just move the throttle a half inch to speed up, instead of downshifting and flooring it.

Enjoy your sweet diesel, come back often with updates, maybe one day the stars will align for the Americas.
 
#19 ·
Why would it be so expensive? The VW diesels are not much more than the Gas? I was thinking if they would bring a Diesel here, it would only be 2-3K more??? I would have bought one for a marginal increase in a heart beat.

For the same reason I that if I bought the Jetta Sportwagon (A car I have considered off and on) - I would buy diesel. Not much more for a car with better torque, resale, mileage, cruising rage, etc.......NO reason to buy GAS in that model.......from a price point of view.....

If the Diesel is really going to be 45K, Subaru is right not to bring it, because no one would buy it.

Flagg
 
#22 ·
I wish the diesel was here. My 2000 vw TDI just turned 290K, and still averging 49MPG. I considering selling it soon, they still command $5K for the condition mine is in in this area.
 
#24 ·
I sold my 2000 Golf TDI a year ago for $7k with 162k miles on it to some one from Minnesota. Flew out to Spokane WA and drove it home. He's still getting 54mpg highway. He's the only buyer I've ever stayed in touch with after selling a car, and I've sold a few (see below).
 
#26 ·
I just had a test drive with the 2.0D CVT Outback today. Really nice drive. As already mentioned in some online testes - the engine and transmission are really well fit to each other. The CVT reacts very fast to the gas - if you floor it it will downshift quite quickly. Power wise it is OK - 50 hp more would not hurt - in particular on motorway - but it is not a weak car by any means.

It feels stable on the road - corners better than the new Forester (which I drove recently). The engine can be heard in the cabin, but even with floored gas and 4000 rpm it does not get really loud.

We will probably order one soon - I am still having my thoughts on diesel versus gasoline though. My brother in law has the 2011 2.5i and manages to get about 8.5 l (27 mpg) in the long run. And now the new model should get even bit better. But I still expect the diesel to be about 1.5 l (5-6 mpg) better.
 
#27 ·
Update

Hi,

Some 9.700 kms and 2,5 months later I like the subie more and more. Cvt diesel works perfectly, avg consumption 7,0 l / 100 kms. Accelerates nicely from 60 to 140 km, leaving most petrols behind. Can't wait for snow.

Topped 200 km/h (navigator 187) in Germany, unlimited speed Autobahn with full cargo. Effortless, I'd say.

We've done quite a bit driving in the woods as we like picking mushrooms (chanterelles and porcini, if you want to know), and finding a place to park the car is easy.

So no problems, fairly much driving. Some things to fix: some tweaks in the sunglass holder. Electric sockets could be more. There should be a ski hatch to the trunk from back seat. The car should cost slightly less than the 47 k€ it costs here.
 
#34 ·
...avg consumption 7,0 l / 100 kms. ...
What's your best ever consumption?

I'm getting avg 8.87 l / 100 kms (US gallons, gasoline (petrol) converted from 26.5 mpg), best I can do is 7.7 l / 100 kms (30.5mpg), highway only. I'd hope a diesel OB could get down to around 5.5 / 100 kms (45mpg) highway, in ideal conditions (summer, no trailer or major cargo).

(forgive me if I'm butchering l/kms consumption, this is new for me, trying to learn it)
 
#28 ·
i wonder how long it will be til us 'mericans can get our hands on the CVT made for the ee20. most likely i have a better chance of winning the lottery than SOA bringing the diesel to our shores. as soon as either my engine or trans has a slight hiccup, i will swap in a ee20 from boxeer. right now the only transmissions that are available here are 5MTs and 6MTs built for the diesels.
 
#29 ·
US Customs just crushed a very nice Discovery Land Rover given it was illegally imported. Engines imported for non highway ie public road use happen all the time for farm pumps and that sort of stuff. I would think the hassle to swap to an imported diesel wouldn't be worth the effort or money then you find out its only drivable on your own property. LOL
 
#31 ·
Not US SPEC. A boxer diesel can be imported to be used to drive irrigation pumps or some one might try and put one in a old fishing boat, but they are not US SPEC for vehicle use so other than having a uber cool ranch car to drive on your ranch its not hitting the roads legally. The crazy high vehicle values we have in the US right now is creating a huge influx of illegal imports for vehicles its pretty interesting to read about. US Customs is swamped with illegal non US spec vehicles being imported for sale.

Subaru diesel powered dune buggy? Sure that would be cool though it won't be on public roads either. Same goes for rock crawler cool deal but still not a public road vehicle.
 
#32 ·
Ford is finally bringing its global 3.2L diesel to the US - in the little work van they are selling. 5cylinder 240hp Turbo Diesel engine really cool engine. Same engine they have in their Global Ranger sold outside the US.

Ford moved to a 1 Global model about 8yrs ago now and is finding that its paying off finally. Makes sense build all your models so they easily meet all requirements for all markets. The all new Ford Ranger diesel could be on the dealer lots tomorrow if they thought people would buy a smaller pickup that returned mileage similar to the 2.5 OB.

GM is starting to catch on to this idea too. Give em 3-5yrs and I could see my self actually buying one more new vehicle in my life time.

Sign me up for a 4dr -6spd manual, low range, locking rear diff 3.2 diesel with crawl logic and 6500lbs towing and 1800lbs bed load at 20-28mpg any day. F150 is a joke too big too thirsty for city life outside of a work truck.
 
#33 ·
i don't know why i assumed boxeer engines were legal. it sucks being so impulsive. a diesel would've solved my towing over the pass issues and given me improved fuel consumption.
 
#38 ·
Very interesting, thanks. That's in line with what I'd expect and hope for.
 
#37 ·
The interesting thing about diesel vs the new gas engine cars is that the gap is narrowing regarding mileage. In the case where you have a pretty sleek well done passenger car running DI gas engine that has not been set up and tuned for huge amounts of power the DI gas engine paired with the sleek efficient car is returning nearly the same mileage as the diesel. Which case the Diesel advantage becomes less about mileage and more about the type of power you get from the Diesel vs the small gas engine running DI tech.

Where the diesels will really start to pay off is in the heavier applications like the midsized pickups and SUV's where even the DI gas engines are still only posting marginally better mileage and the new quite good Diesel engines are posting a sizable jump in mileage and offering exceptional load hauling capability.

I really like Diesel especially the new engines some of them are really impressive and a work of art and really enjoyable to drive. But the really big win for US consumers will be the day when the thirsty Honda Pilot type family vehicle is running a 3L Diesel that can return mid to high 20's possibly even a low 30's mpg which todays mid sized haulers are more in the 17 to 21mpg range which is pretty lousy when you think about it.

The little 89 standard cab 2.9L V6 Ford Ranger I had would return 21mpg on the highway and about 18mpg around town way back in the day. I put 240,000 miles on that little truck with no issues granted it sat two people and three very very close friends in a pinch but it wasn't exactly light and could haul a pretty decent load. So for vehicles like the Honda Pilot to be returning less than or similar mileage to a vehicle that was far less technical and way way older tech is pretty sad.

The really slick 3.2 liter strait 5 cylinder diesel Ford has is pretty impressive and shows up in the next year in their little Euro work van here in the states soon. I would be even more impressed to see that engine in the new 4dr Ford Ranger giving lots of dads the option of having a pickup that gets great mileage and can haul the kids + say camping gear or the boat / dog etc. And still fit in the garage or driveway