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I thought I’d write this down, because I couldn’t find any information on this combination when I tried to research it.

If you’ve fitted the Bilstein 5056J struts to your Gen 3, you know by now that the Bilstein springs are too soft, especially in the back if you’re loaded up for trip.

I’ve replaced mine with King raised springs. The part numbers for RAISED springs for the Gen 3 are:

Front: KFSR-51
Rear: KSRR-29

Note that standard-height replacement Kings have different part numbers. I decided to go for the extra 25 mm of height.

Swapping them in isn’t that hard: in the rear, the Kings are an exact fit to the Bilstein bottom spring seat.

However, if you’re already running the Bilstein springs, the Kings will be too wide at the top to fit the Japan-spec top mounts and spring seats you would’ve installed to make the Bilsteins fit.

To install the Kings in the rear, you need to go back to the Subaru USDM/Euro/Oceania-spec rear strut mounts and spring seats. (I was gutted, having hunted down a gorgeous set of STI/ Group N rear mounts, which had to go…)

These are the part numbers:

Upper Strut Mount: 20370AG00A
Upper Spring Seat: 20375AE00A

The Bilstein shock body has five height-setting lands which accept the bottom seat. I settled on the second land from top, which most closely left the car level after I’d fitted the fronts.

Be aware that the Kings, being made of thicker-section wire, will leave you with even less clearance in the back between the coil and the inside tyre sidewall: I can just fit a 4.5mm drill bit between them now, with 225s fitted.

The fronts are a doddle: it’s a straight swap.

Our Outback now sits about 25mm higher (our American friends with XTs probably won’t notice a difference), although I expect it to settle by maybe 5mm yet. That’s about perfect for me, because I don’t want to chew out CV joints.

If anything, the handling is better, despite the height gain. This thing corners nearly flat now. King says their springs are progressive rate, and I believe them. The ride is definitely firmer, and you might notice more road noise from the front.

Empty, the car does bounce a bit, but it’s only irritating in corners with potholes in them, which can induce a bit of bump steer. But load it up for a few weeks on the road and it’s ass is still sitting right where it should: high and proud.

I’m glad I did this. The King springs aren’t that pricey (especially after you just sold a kidney to buy the Bilsteins), and teamed up with the Bilstein shocks, it’s probably the best setup you can achieve for a Gen 3 short of custom air.

And we now have just that little more confidence in the rough stuff
 
So to piggyback off of the first post in this thread, are these the Bilsteins that were mentioned?


If so, I have seen other places (not this seller) state that these are ONLY for Legacies and not Outbacks; is this true? Reading this thread has made me realise that the bounciness (which I notice, but don't mind) may be why my wife always feels a bit nauseous on non-highways, due to the ride (and yes, I know that other suspension parts would be needed to stiffen). My struts probably have another year or two in them (rusted heavily, but not leaking. Quite bouncy in the rear though), but if I can fix things sooner, rather than later, then it's a no-brainer.
 
@Dave Hansford Strange that you felt they where soft, mine feel nice and firm, but not overly firm, and I prefer more of a firm suspension. Mine corners really flat as well. Maybe because I have the jdm rear sway bar too? Good to know about king springs though! Also, I didn't realize the rears had multiple height adjustments. I will need to pull mine off and try going up one notch. As I feel my rear sits just slightly lower then the front. Even loaded it feels great(subwoofer, tools, cooler, camping gear, etc.)
 
@Dave Hansford Strange that you felt they where soft, mine feel nice and firm, but not overly firm, and I prefer more of a firm suspension. Mine corners really flat as well. Maybe because I have the jdm rear sway bar too? Good to know about king springs though! Also, I didn't realize the rears had multiple height adjustments. I will need to pull mine off and try going up one notch. As I feel my rear sits just slightly lower then the front. Even loaded it feels great(subwoofer, tools, cooler, camping gear, etc.)
Yeah… I probably should’ve qualified my comments: a few years of motorsport left me with much more tolerance for a firm ride, to the extent that our Outback has full poly throughout, plus pillow ball in the back, stiffer sway bars front and rear, and chassis braces. I’m probably a freak: when my friend drives our car, he finds the ride overly firm for his liking. However, I was happy to sacrifice float for handling, (having said that, the Bilsteins go a long way to smoothing that out) and I’m now delighted with this thing’s handling (incidentally, I used to think that ours corned pretty flat, but the Kings have shown me what “flat” really is). So your perception of “firm” is probably more real-world than mine. All I know for sure was that when we packed for a trip (all your stuff plus Labrador), the Outback was almost dragging its arse on the ground. The Kings have fixed that beautifully.
 
No. The link goes to Legacy shocks. As I stated, the Outback-specific kit is 5056J.
I know it does. But since they don't have any specific numbers in their posting (unless I missed it), I was just asking if these were the ones.

Thanks for confirming though.
 
Another strut question!

Are these: JDM Subaru Outback KYB SR Special Shocks Struts Springs Suspension 05-09 | eBay at all an upgrade over the stock setup and would anything additional need to be purchased to get them to work or is this basically a straight swap? (not necessarily going to buy THESE ones, but this model/part, I'm looking at).

Searched ITT and couldn't find these exact ones as they are named (since I don't have a part# and can't cross-reference with the first post).

Many thanks!
 
personally this would be a no for me. You can buy 4 corners of OEM grade KYB struts right now for about $450 on RockAuto. They are $100 rear, $130 front, and a $75 rebate. So $460 + tax + shipping minus $75.
Thank you and yes, I know! Again, I wouldn't buy this specific set, I was just curious if anyone knew anything about the KYB Special SR struts as a product, just because they weren't contained on the initial list ITT :).
 
Ok, a few more Qs if anyone can answer them.

So, as per the first post ITT, KYBs for the previous gen can be used on Gen 3s; does this apply for Bilsteins as well or no?

As well, I have come across a JDM seller here in Canada that has Bilsteins for sale and they state that they fit OBXT:

Subaru JDM Bilsteins for Legacy and Outback 2004-2009 BP9 BL9 GT XT
For BL5 BP5 and BL9 BP9 Applications
?PN: 20310AG XXX

Subaru JDM Bilsteins for Legacy and Outback 2004-2009 BP9 BL9 GT XT



Does that mean they will fit a 2.5i as well or if they were to fit, would there need to be a modification done?

It turns out my proactive searching for new struts was warranted: my strut towers (specifically, the left one) are lifting off and my mechanic is worried they will fly through the hood if I hit a big-enough bump... thus moving suspension work from 2024, to 2023!

It's not that I want Bilsteins over anything else or anything of that nature, but if these are available to be used, then obviously I will consider them.

If anyone has any answers for the above, it would be much appreciated: I tried for the last hour, to search this thread for my questions and couldn't find anything, so if it was already asked, my apologies for the redundancy!
 
If your strut towers are coming off, you'll need a new panel installed or current one gusseted. Usually the panel would be changed/welded in by a body shop and may not be cheap. Is it severely rusted? But yes, the bp9 struts will fit, that is the chassis code. I don't believe the previous gen will fit without changing the upper strut mounts. If it states for BP9 that is for outback. Careful as some will list BP9 but they are really legacy/bp5 chassis. So will lower the car. Compare length of the strut bodies. Those appear to be BP9 in the picture.
 
and front forester SH struts fits those obk too just they are about 2-3cm higher so you getting free lift too. i mean if buying new stuff you can get free lift too in front ...
 
Looking for some confirmation / advice on my plans. 2008 Outback with 120K miles, mostly used for a short commute so we don't put a lot of miles on it. Both front and rear struts were replaced with KYB GR2's about five years and 20K miles ago. It was an improvement but we still have the floaty / wallowy feeling rear suspension. I feel like we'd enjoy driving this car more if we firmed up the rear.

I have acquired a set of the 2002.5-2004 KYB rear struts. And recently bought a pair of the Rallitek 3/8" rear overload springs.

To make a complete assembly to swap in for the rear, it looks like I need a couple KYB SM5214. These will work with the '04 KYB / Rallitek combo, right?

The main thing I'm hung up on is the boot and strut bumpstop / bumper. I think I need the KYB SB103. I've read conflicting info on this... some have said a strut bumpstop is not included in the rear strut assembly, others have mentioned one. And I've seen a few report that the KYB SB103 boot does not fit well inside the Rallitek springs. Any advice on whether I need strut bumpstops, and if so which ones, and which boots?

EDIT
Since I never found the answer and just had to figure it out, here's an edit to prevent others from wasting time if you're preassembling with new mounts. Don't get the KYB SB103 boot kit. The boot does not move freely inside the coil spring and the strut bumpstop is not necessary. Just get the OEM Subaru boot P/N 20372AE00A.
 
OK I got some parts for my OB's rear suspension and now have a couple follow up questions / comments. I have replaced struts before (it's been a while) but have always re-used the existing parts and never assembled a complete strut / spring assembly myself before so I apologize for posing what might seem like pretty dumb questions.

Question 1: Washer or no washer?

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This is the KYB SB103 boot kit on the KYB 341276 strut and the KYB SM5214 strut mount. Should there be a washer between the locknut and strut mount? There were none supplied with the strut mount nor with the strut.

Looking online, I found a video from a popular Subaru repair YT channel which shows him assembling a rear Legacy strut with similar appearing KYB components, and there doesn't appear to be a washer in his video either. So maybe I'm OK without one, was just expecting one based on the OEM setup.

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Question 2: Is this going to be a problem?

With the Rallitek springs and my KYB SB103 boot, the OD of the boot is almost exactly the ID of the spring. So the boot doesn't move freely within the spring. You have to kind of twist and shove it into the spring. That can't be great, right? I'm concerned about annoying noise and premature wear on the boot. But maybe it will be OK.

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I found a thread from several years ago about this, but there's not much discussion and the videos are no longer available. As far as I can tell the OP of that thread just ended up going with OEM boots and forgoing the strut bumper.

Thanks in advance for any experienced advice.

Since I never found the answer and just had to figure it out, here's an edit to prevent others from wasting time if you're preassembling with new mounts. Don't get the KYB SB103 boot kit. The boot does not move freely inside the coil spring and the strut bumpstop is not necessary. Just get the OEM Subaru boot P/N 20372AE00A.
 
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