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Called Rallitek to ask them for advice several days ago, no reply. Emailed KYB last week to ask them about it, no reply.

Pretty quiet around this thread as well. I know this site is now more focused on the newer fifth and sixth gens, and things like software updates, but any other reason why this isn't getting a response? Am I asking in the wrong place or asking the wrong question?
 
If I sound like a dick, I apologise, but maybe have some patience? Not everyone is trolling the threads to death, looking for things to answer.

I mean look at my post above your first: it is an even simpler, more to the point and significantly less-technical question than yours and nobody has responded either: you don't see me getting impatient and bumping threads, with annoyance in my posts.

If this is a pressing issue, start a new thread and I guarantee you will get an answer.
 
OK I got some parts for my OB's rear suspension and now have a couple follow up questions / comments. I have replaced struts before (it's been a while) but have always re-used the existing parts and never assembled a complete strut / spring assembly myself before so I apologize for posing what might seem like pretty dumb questions.


Question 2: Is this going to be a problem?

With the Rallitek springs and my KYB SB103 boot, the OD of the boot is almost exactly the ID of the spring. So the boot doesn't move freely within the spring. You have to kind of twist and shove it into the spring. That can't be great, right? I'm concerned about annoying noise and premature wear on the boot. But maybe it will be OK.

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I found a thread from several years ago about this, but there's not much discussion and the videos are no longer available. As far as I can tell the OP of that thread just ended up going with OEM boots and forgoing the strut bumper.

Thanks in advance for any experienced advice.
Honestly, I'd just order one factory boot and bump stop and compare with the KYB items. It's going to cost you maybe $20, but will give you the definitive answer. Unfortunately, not everyone has experience running aftermarket springs with specific aftermarket boots. For the price, it's probably faster and easier to just buy and try.
 
If I sound like a dick, I apologise, but maybe have some patience? Not everyone is trolling the threads to death, looking for things to answer.

I mean look at my post above your first: it is an even simpler, more to the point and significantly less-technical question than yours and nobody has responded either: you don't see me getting impatient and bumping threads, with annoyance in my posts.

If this is a pressing issue, start a new thread and I guarantee you will get an answer.
I'll agree with you that having patience is a good thing. I was annoyed with the lack of response from a couple companies I've bought products from, not with the forum. It made more sense to me to participate in this thread rather than starting yet another one, and once this is sorted I'll (hopefully) be adding information on what worked for me.

Honestly, I'd just order one factory boot and bump stop and compare with the KYB items. It's going to cost you maybe $20, but will give you the definitive answer. Unfortunately, not everyone has experience running aftermarket springs with specific aftermarket boots. For the price, it's probably faster and easier to just buy and try.
Thanks for your post, I appreciate it and it's good advice. Since I hadn't heard back from Rallitek for a couple weeks, I tried calling them again rather than waiting for a call that was probably never going to come. This time they answered and the guy I spoke to took a look at their preassembled strut package, and told me that they use Subaru dust boots. He wasn't able to tell me which bump stop they use, only that he thought it was supplied by KYB.

I have now ordered two OEM Subaru boots am waiting for them to arrive. I'm hoping to make them work. Unfortunately there's not a factory bump stop shown in the parts diagram for either the 2nd Gen or 3rd Gen (seen below). Unless it's inside the boot, unlikely at only $4 for the part, as far as I can tell I'm not able to locate a factory bump stop nor am I sure one even existed.

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As mentioned I'll contribute to the thread as best I can once it's sorted.

ETA I sent my email again to KYB and got this response:

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. We have been having email issues.

The nut supplied with the shock/strut is correct. No washer.
At this time we only offer the SB103 for this shock, has a special opening for the tip near the threads.

Regards,

Technical Support
So, per KYB no washer is needed. And the SB103 is the only boot / bumpstop kit they suggest for the 2nd Gen rear strut.
 
I have edited my previous posts to include this information, and hopefully save someone else some time. From my original post a few weeks ago, all I was unsure about was a) which boot to use with my rear suspension (OEM), and b) if I needed a strut bumpstop (no). I wasn't able to definitively find this out through my searching or through talking to Rallitek nor KYB.

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Subaru OEM boot P/N 20372AE00A on KYB 341276 strut, perfect fit, and fits inside the Rallitek spring.

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Front = OEM springs and 3rd Gen KYB struts. Rear = Rallitek 3/8" Overload springs and 2nd Gen KYB struts.

I've only driven a few miles so far but I love the way this setup handles. The rear end is no longer floaty and soft feeling. It's not harsh or jarring, but it is much more composed. We've owned this car since 2011 and my only regret is not doing this setup long ago.

More reading if you want:

I just upgraded my 2008 Outback's rear suspension with new Rallitek 3/8" overload springs, KYB 341276 struts, and new KYB SM5214 suspension mounts. The OEM rear setup does not include a strut bumpstop, but I didn't know that since I wasn't disassembling my old struts, I was starting by creating a ready assembly I could just swap in to minimize vehicle down time, and get fresh parts. I got wrapped around the axle on thinking that I needed a bump stop because KYB includes one with their boot kit for the 2nd Gen rear struts, and I read some conflicting information online.

As I have now added to my recent posts, if upgrading to Rallitek springs, don't get the KYB SB103 boot kit to use with their struts. The boot does not move freely inside the coil spring, and the strut bumpstop is not necessary. Just get the OEM Subaru boot, it fits perfectly, and there's no need for a strut bumpstop.
 
I'm considering doing Subie Oz 2" front / 2.5" rear lift and replacing most of the suspension parts.
I'm interested in firm ride that king springs can offer: Front: KFSR-51 / Rear: KSRR-29. Do you know where in US I could find those springs? I see them on australian websites only... Maybe there's some US equivalent?
 
@ChecksOut Primitive racing should have them. Also, iirc raised springs lift non North America outbacks by 2in, and the ones here in NA about 1/2in-1in. Since NA outbacks have a higher ride height then jdm/outside NA outbacks.
Ok, do you think that combo would work for 2005 North America Outback XT?
 
Just out of nowherebut I've realized that after replacing or removing all bushings, wheel hub longevity has gone way up.
By far replacing the rear trailing arm foreward bushing with poly made the most improvement. It always had a feeling I was pulling something small coming out of fast turns.
 
owns 2005 Subaru Outback 3.0 LL Bean
I have edited my previous posts to include this information, and hopefully save someone else some time. From my original post a few weeks ago, all I was unsure about was a) which boot to use with my rear suspension (OEM), and b) if I needed a strut bumpstop (no). I wasn't able to definitively find this out through my searching or through talking to Rallitek nor KYB.

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Subaru OEM boot P/N 20372AE00A on KYB 341276 strut, perfect fit, and fits inside the Rallitek spring.

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Front = OEM springs and 3rd Gen KYB struts. Rear = Rallitek 3/8" Overload springs and 2nd Gen KYB struts.

I've only driven a few miles so far but I love the way this setup handles. The rear end is no longer floaty and soft feeling. It's not harsh or jarring, but it is much more composed. We've owned this car since 2011 and my only regret is not doing this setup long ago.

More reading if you want:

I just upgraded my 2008 Outback's rear suspension with new Rallitek 3/8" overload springs, KYB 341276 struts, and new KYB SM5214 suspension mounts. The OEM rear setup does not include a strut bumpstop, but I didn't know that since I wasn't disassembling my old struts, I was starting by creating a ready assembly I could just swap in to minimize vehicle down time, and get fresh parts. I got wrapped around the axle on thinking that I needed a bump stop because KYB includes one with their boot kit for the 2nd Gen rear struts, and I read some conflicting information online.

As I have now added to my recent posts, if upgrading to Rallitek springs, don't get the KYB SB103 boot kit to use with their struts. The boot does not move freely inside the coil spring, and the strut bumpstop is not necessary. Just get the OEM Subaru boot, it fits perfectly, and there's no need for a strut bumpstop.
My rear strut just failed from the top strut mount, now its just a spring holding the back end together and its not pretty.

Looking into what options and parts needed for the route I want to go. This may be the path I want to take. Great info !
 
Overwhelming amount of information to sift through, starts to make your mind melt. I just purchased an 08' OB H6 that will eventually be my sons, a first time driver, I'd like to do some work to it to make it a bit safer, I'm pretty sure none of the shocks/springs/struts/bushings have ever been replaced. I have no problem doing my own repairs, suspension, brakes, etc.. I'm so lost at what to buy to replace the shocks, I'd like to have everything pre-built, I attempted to change shocks on my Ford truck struts with the rental spring compressor and it just wasn't enough to do the job safely, are these springs the same, or would they be easier?

My dilemma is, do I purchase the OEM fully assembled struts from RockAuto for $450 (KYB SR4490 Rear, SR4491 Front R, SR4492 Front L)
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King lift springs, lifts .75″ Front & 1″ Rear, plus the KYB Excel-G shocks/struts for like $844 (can shop around for the KYB struts and save about $100), fully assembled from Primitive is $1360, they charge $515 to assemble them, that seems ridiculously high, I could see $40/strut, not $128/strut. I really don't want to lift it, but this seems very minimal.
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Rallitek 3/8" Rear Overload KYB Excel-G Lift Kit $691 and OEM Front R/L fully assembled struts from RockAuto $263

It seems like most of the issue is with worn bushings, I will plan on doing those at the same time. Wasn't sure if replacing bushings and buying OEM assembled struts would be good enough, or if the rear struts needed the upgraded springs as well.
 
Overwhelming amount of information to sift through, starts to make your mind melt. I just purchased an 08' OB H6 that will eventually be my sons, a first time driver, I'd like to do some work to it to make it a bit safer, I'm pretty sure none of the shocks/springs/struts/bushings have ever been replaced. I have no problem doing my own repairs, suspension, brakes, etc.. I'm so lost at what to buy to replace the shocks, I'd like to have everything pre-built, I attempted to change shocks on my Ford truck struts with the rental spring compressor and it just wasn't enough to do the job safely, are these springs the same, or would they be easier?

My dilemma is, do I purchase the OEM fully assembled struts from RockAuto for $450 (KYB SR4490 Rear, SR4491 Front R, SR4492 Front L)
-or-
King lift springs, lifts .75″ Front & 1″ Rear, plus the KYB Excel-G shocks/struts for like $844 (can shop around for the KYB struts and save about $100), fully assembled from Primitive is $1360, they charge $515 to assemble them, that seems ridiculously high, I could see $40/strut, not $128/strut. I really don't want to lift it, but this seems very minimal.
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Rallitek 3/8" Rear Overload KYB Excel-G Lift Kit $691 and OEM Front R/L fully assembled struts from RockAuto $263

It seems like most of the issue is with worn bushings, I will plan on doing those at the same time. Wasn't sure if replacing bushings and buying OEM assembled struts would be good enough, or if the rear struts needed the upgraded springs as well.
Hey it was overwhelming for me as well, but taking outback_97,s route I got KYB 2nd gen rear struts and Rallitek 3/8” overload springs (also 2nd gen), KYB top hats and OEM dust covers, fronts I got KYB 3rd gen, KYB top hats, KYB dust covers and Rallitek overload stock height springs. Just got the rears done yesterday.

For the front strut assembly I am going to have to reuse a couple components , so I will have to disassemble the fronts and that will be another day.

got the struts and top hats pretty darn cheap from Amazon, total amount I spend after shipping was around 1200. 455 for struts and 500+170 ship for springs. Ridiculous. Highly recommend looking at Amazon for struts.

Got good at compressing the spring after having to readjust the top hat for alignments, used a rental spring compressor. My electric impact helped speed this process up and having a jack was necessary to line compress and line up to bottom bolt.
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Hey it was overwhelming for me as well, but taking outback_97,s route I got KYB 2nd gen rear struts and Rallitek 3/8” overload springs (also 2nd gen), KYB top hats and OEM dust covers, fronts I got KYB 3rd gen, KYB top hats, KYB dust covers and Rallitek overload stock height springs. Just got the rears done yesterday.

For the front strut assembly I am going to have to reuse a couple components , so I will have to disassemble the fronts and that will be another day.

got the struts and top hats pretty darn cheap from Amazon, total amount I spend after shipping was around 1200. 455 for struts and 500+170 ship for springs. Ridiculous. Highly recommend looking at Amazon for struts.

Got good at compressing the spring after having to readjust the top hat for alignments, used a rental spring compressor. My electric impact helped speed this process up and having a jack was necessary to line compress and line up to bottom bolt. View attachment 563752
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Thanks for the info, that does help. That was the other thing I found confusing, I saw others talking about using Gen 3 KYB's on the rear and older Gen on the front (or vice versa), I couldn't find anywhere on KYB's website a list of generations and their P/N's, I assume that's what Gen stands for. I just did a quick search for the KYB's you referenced (341276), it says that those don't fit my vehicle, 2008 OB H6. Wonder if I should just get whatever KYB's fit my vehicle all around, get the Rallitek springs for the rears, reuse the front springs, get KYB mounts and OEM boot kit, did you have a URL or P/N for the boot kit?

Did you replace any bushings while you were at it, or upgrade the sway bar(s)?
 
Thanks for the info, that does help. That was the other thing I found confusing, I saw others talking about using Gen 3 KYB's on the rear and older Gen on the front (or vice versa), I couldn't find anywhere on KYB's website a list of generations and their P/N's, I assume that's what Gen stands for. I just did a quick search for the KYB's you referenced (341276), it says that those don't fit my vehicle, 2008 OB H6. Wonder if I should just get whatever KYB's fit my vehicle all around, get the Rallitek springs for the rears, reuse the front springs, get KYB mounts and OEM boot kit, did you have a URL or P/N for the boot kit?

Did you replace any bushings while you were at it, or upgrade the sway bar(s)?
I'm unsure if the outback H6 is different. See if a 2008 outback has the same part number for the struts you are looking at because I used 2nd gen rear struts and springs on my 08 outback 2.5XT with no issues. The reason behind the 2nd gen because it gets rid of the "Ghost Walk" which happens to shift your rear end left or right when compressing into and out of big bumps. I think they are a tad bit shorter in length. so with the 3/8" overload springs it raises it about 1/4". KYB does have part numbers, its a pain to filter thru, but they are on their website, I checked to double confirm. I went all new front springs as well, said might as well.

There is a website that shows the assembly configuration for the strut assemblies. see here, my go to for diagrams, plus there should be a service manual here in the top forum posts. FRONT SHOCK ABSORBER. (OPC.83) '06MY-'06MY.. Subaru | Subaru Parts Online

Didn't have time to replace the rear sway bar links, but I am going to go the route of upgrading to a thicker rear bar and replace the bushings. I've done front LCA bushings a little bit ago but have not touched anything else. I'm sure they all need replacement.
 
I'm unsure if the outback H6 is different. See if a 2008 outback has the same part number for the struts you are looking at because I used 2nd gen rear struts and springs on my 08 outback 2.5XT with no issues. The reason behind the 2nd gen because it gets rid of the "Ghost Walk" which happens to shift your rear end left or right when compressing into and out of big bumps. I think they are a tad bit shorter in length. so with the 3/8" overload springs it raises it about 1/4". KYB does have part numbers, its a pain to filter thru, but they are on their website, I checked to double confirm. I went all new front springs as well, said might as well.

There is a website that shows the assembly configuration for the strut assemblies. see here, my go to for diagrams, plus there should be a service manual here in the top forum posts. FRONT SHOCK ABSORBER. (OPC.83) '06MY-'06MY.. Subaru | Subaru Parts Online

Didn't have time to replace the rear sway bar links, but I am going to go the route of upgrading to a thicker rear bar and replace the bushings. I've done front LCA bushings a little bit ago but have not touched anything else. I'm sure they all need replacement.
KYB is for sure a PITA to search for anything. Ah, I think it's making more sense now, Gen is for the Outback generation. I looked up PN: 341276 and it looks to be for OB 2000-2004, 2nd Gen OB's. Not sure why the strut itself would be any better, I would think the springs make the most difference, for ghost walking, maybe they have a slower compression/recovery rate so it's not all loose.

Thanks for the URL reference for the diagrams, was trying to remember which website I came across that had all the exploded diagrams.

This gives me more of an understanding and place to at least get started, and maybe save some $$$ at the same time.

Do you know anything about those King springs? Is it a stiffer ride if front and rears were replaced with King springs?
 
KYB is for sure a PITA to search for anything. Ah, I think it's making more sense now, Gen is for the Outback generation. I looked up PN: 341276 and it looks to be for OB 2000-2004, 2nd Gen OB's. Not sure why the strut itself would be any better, I would think the springs make the most difference, for ghost walking, maybe they have a slower compression/recovery rate so it's not all loose.

Thanks for the URL reference for the diagrams, was trying to remember which website I came across that had all the exploded diagrams.

This gives me more of an understanding and place to at least get started, and maybe save some $$$ at the same time.

Do you know anything about those King springs? Is it a stiffer ride if front and rears were replaced with King springs?
You can do more research on it, its just a shorter length strut and spring nothing different for dampening purposes. The outback's suspension wasn't designed for practicality, it was designed for comfort, id go with the stiffer Rallitek springs or whatever floats your boat. I wanted stiffer springs since I sometimes load a lot in the back hatch for camping and my rear end was sagged significantly. . I spoke with the Rallitek guys about it, they even have a "fix Ghost Walk" strut package assembly on their website. Just do some research into it all, there are plenty of good write ups.

One thing about Forums is that you can find answers fairly easily if you want to go a certain route. I'm sure someone has reviewed King Springs. Type in Google your search parameters. 2008 "outback king springs forum"

Good luck !
 
I have the 19mm JDM Rear sway bar on my car right now, the bushings finally wore out. I'm currently trying MOOG K90394 bushing kit. The oem straps don't fit over the bushing. However the straps included do work. They arnt completely flat against the bracket though. The bushing also still has a small gap around the bar. I'm going to try them out for the week. If these cause issues, I will try a different kit and will update.
 
Got all my parts yesterday, starting with the rear struts today. Does this 1st photo look correct?? The rubber part of the mount kit (KYB SM5214) looks off, the top nut is tightened down as far as it can go.
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Second issue: Is there a trick to line up the mount so that everything lines up when installing it? I just compared the old one and guessed where the mount should line up before tightening the top nut. When I went to install it the bottom of the strut where the big bolt goes was crooked, I pried the bottom and twisted the strut to lineup but then it moved the spring away from the notch in the strut where the spring is supposed to be up against.
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Also, what's the trick to get the holes to lineup so I can insert the bolt at the bottom of the strut? I know I went with the 3/8" rear overload springs so there's a bit of a length difference. I tried to use a bottle jack to compress the strut, but it just lifted the vehicle.
 
Parts list below

Front:
3rd Gen KYB 339098 Excel-G Gas Strut (Right) x 1
3rd Gen KYB 339099 Excel-G Gas Strut (Left) x 1
3rd Gen KYB SM5664 Strut Mount (Front) x 2
3rd Gen OEM 20322AG00A Bellows (Front) x 2
3rd Gen OEM 20321AG011 Helper/Bumper (Front) x 2

Rear:
2nd Gen KYB 341276 Excel-G Gas Strut x 2
3rd Gen KYB SM5214 Strut Mount (Rear) x 2
3rd Gen RalliTEK RTEK-830-523-355 3/8" Rear Overload Springs x 2
3rd Gen OEM 20372AE00A Bellows (Rear) x 2

I just reread @907natty post "I got KYB 2nd gen rear struts and Rallitek 3/8” overload springs (also 2nd gen) ", did I buy the wrong RalliTEK springs for the rear, should I have purchased all 2nd Gen??
 
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