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As I posted earlier, I'm pretty sure walker is incorrect in their assumption. If 3G was a fallback for LTE then Subaru wouldn't have needed to do any swapping. I can understand how they might think that based on the way phones can fall back to slower speeds, but it's not quite the same situation.
From subaru, from 2016 when telematics was first introduced in the outback

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Interesting. What was the upgrade then? Just unplugging the 3G antenna?
No, it was new firmware. Now, if you want to get Starlink services, and are below a certain firmware, you have to pay for a new DCM to get service.

Subaru’s statement for the reason they did the service campaign for the 3G sunset, says the unit would no longer function. But that could mean several things… maybe the threshold for failover with a weak LTE signal is too high, and the units would cause more customers to call in, or it wouldn’t be available enough to provide a minimum level of service in those areas. Maybe the later firmware just ignores the 3G network entirely instead of a lower threshold. Maybe the units periodically check for a 3G signal and would cause the red error light to go on if it was out for more than a certain number of successive checks, creating excessive notifications into the starlink services, so they, and the customer would get a ton of annoying messages. No idea. Lots of things I could think of, but I never found anything that listed what It fixed for the 3G operation, so it’s all guesses at that point.

Here is their statement (From the FAQ that was originally released)

What is 3G network retirement?

Wireless data network providers will be phasing out their 3G cellular networks to make room for
newer technologies. As a result of this decision by the network providers, devices that require 3G
wireless networks, such as the STARLINK system1 inside some Subaru vehicles, will no longer
operate unless they are upgraded.

If a unit was above a specific firmware, it was OK - this is in another service bulletin if you have a 2016-2018 car, with no current Starlink subscription, and there are problems connecting. Really it’s just a procedure for replacing the DCM, but it was released about the same time as the 3G sunset campaign. The minimum firmware version is: DCM_06.00.17_20190816 . The suffix is a date in ISO format. So August 16, 2019.j

From Subaru’s perspective, it was about keeping reliable service - Starlink services operating as required - when the backup link was no longer available.

Here is where it gets muddled

There is a service bulletin for remediating dark current drain, IF the DCM is found to be causing it on a 2016-2018 vehicle. In there, it lists the same firmware version - that if the unit is on that firmware version - the procedure certainly won’t fix any DCM related power drains.

The implication is that a unit in one of the other two states, Comm Check, Unsubscribed, could cause excessive power drain if the unit is below a certain firmware. The procedure isn’t to be run on a subscribed unit, isn’t to be run on a unit that is at the 3G sunset upgraded firmware version, isn’t to be run on anything other than the vehicles listed in the applicability section.

So - the procedure to fix dark current drain for some vehicles in that service bulletin only applies to cars that were not upgraded.

what’s unclear:
  • what is it about firmwares below the DCM_06.00.17_20190816 revision that cause the drain in either Comm Check mode or Unsubscribed mode.
  • is the excessive drain time just a bit longer than the expected 15 minutes after ignition off, or is it a bit longer. Or a lot longer (Maybe the fix is because it can go 30 minutes not 15. Maybe it’s because it can go 24 hours. No idea)
The service bulletin for that also has a short statement that any DCM related DTC can prevent the DCM from going to sleep for a “prolonged period longer than expected, contributing to the parasitic draw ”. Could be something similar to that was also corrected in the firmware update - multiple polls and no network connectivity keeping the units awake a little longer.

The solution there is to force them into a factory mode, physically disconnect the overhead buttons, and then verify the DCM drain, present before the procedure, is now lower (that the DCM is no longer contributing to it).

I could read the wording in this service bulletin as it’s a fix for a DCM that is looking for a 3G network. I could also read it as it’s a way to eliminate a possible source of drain that is contributing to overall drain, but might be seen as the main culprit (like if it was present a little longer than 15 minutes, but was hiding another smaller always on drain somewhere else).

If you don’t use the DCM, and aren’t going to sign up for services - remember, with a non-remediated 2016-2018 you’d have to pay for a new DCM to sign up at this point - I would disconnect and bypass it. Or just use the cheaper fix to bypass it with the ignition off.
 
I disconnected my antennas today, figured I would add to this post rather than add a new one to get lost.

I mostly followed the two previous pictures in this thread, the picture of the dcm and the wiring diagram, though only the wiring diagram was close. Didn't show the plugs themselves(location), but did give what they looked like which is what I ended up going off of. And maybe color though another part has the same color plugs, but not the same shape.

Touring/high trim
I removed the shift lever(push down then one retaining pin) and then the center console(lift from the open center compartment). Then I removed the bezel housing with two screws above the gauges. I then pulled the mid dash trim (leather part above glove box and tray) from passenger side towards the ignition. There's one screw holding the ignition to the mid-dash after you pull it. This reveals the four screws for the infotainment (10mm) unscrew these and you can gently pull the unit free from the dash. I had some confusion about which plugs to pull due to coloring and location off the reference pictures I used. In case the photos don't attach, the green and brown plugs on the top of the back of the infotainment unit are the two to disconnect (not sure about generations or such of dcm, but this is where mine were, not like the reference picture I used[previously in this thread I think]). I ended up going with the wiring diagram that showed what the plugs looked like and matched them (same colors on lower portion but different plugs). Many are tagged with a plug number (an##) but I couldn't find a good match to the diagram (for the antennas, they didnt have the tag like the others) aside from the physical look.

Gentle pulling was used to get most pieces out, a flathead for the shifter pin, a Phillips screwdriver for the bezel and ignition screw, and a 10mm socket for the infotainment screws.
 

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Thank you very much!

Did you turn the car on mid process to confirm you unplugged the right connectors?
I did not, but drove it to and from work today with no issues, no pop-ups or notifications. Didn't think to test any of the buttons to verify lack of transmission though. Only took about 45 min to figure out how to pull it apart to unplug them. Might eventually see about using one of the cables for a ham hookup to the shark fin (have an idea about mounting a plate to it).
 
Fight the powers, brother.

Where exactly is the facial recognition camera? In the red plastic trim above the screen unit? Looks like a Cylon from Battlestar Galactica. Sometimes I see a red light on the right behind that red plastic, and if the camera is back there I want to remove the plastic & paint it black on the backside. Looks better than tape over the front.

Does that red plastic piece pop off if I pry it?


Where is the microphone?
 
I expect disconnecting the antenna will cause the starlink transceiver to transmit at full power through the maximum duty cycle unless there is a timeout for rural areas without cell coverage. It’s not clear to me how to stop the starlink function and current draw on the battery from the transceiver electrical load.
 
I expect disconnecting the antenna will cause the starlink transceiver to transmit at full power through the maximum duty cycle unless there is a timeout for rural areas without cell coverage. It’s not clear to me how to stop the starlink function and current draw on the battery from the transceiver electrical load.
Thats why you remove the entire transceiver. The only leftover wire is the 5v needed to run the powered microphone for bluetooth. This power is still available from the back of the stereo, just add a pin/wire.
 
Thats why you remove the entire transceiver. The only leftover wire is the 5v needed to run the powered microphone for bluetooth. This power is still available from the back of the stereo, just add a pin/wire.
Thanks. There must be a CAN signal looking for the transceiver? This would set a transceiver failed message on the CAN bus.
 
Thanks. There must be a CAN signal looking for the transceiver? This would set a transceiver failed message on the CAN bus.
the DCM itself sets some DTCs - so it would be the DCM looking for things it can't find. I'd like to see a service manual for a 2023 and up - since the FOTA updates use the DCM, would the headunit set a DTC if the DCM were missing? Maybe. If it did, probably wouldn't be a problem. Earlier vehicles, a disconnected DCM won't bother any other control modules.


some examples of DTCs set by the DCM:

disconnect the antennas...
DTC B2A01 LTE1 Antenna Circuit
DTC B2A02 LTE2 Antenna Circuit
DTC B2A03 GPS Antenna Circuit

disconnect the speaker/mic connection:
DTC B2A04 Mic Circuit
DTC B2A05 Left Speaker/Audio Circuit
DTC B2A06 Right Speaker/Audio Circuit

Subaru does say that any DTCs set in the DCM can cause unwanted dark current drain. Would be interesting if the OP has experienced any of that - might not be a problem based on what version of the DCM and which firmware. 2019 and up probably won't be a problem with the antennas (subaru says that power drain on those isn't from a weak or non-existent signal reception - it's from an internal memory corruption problem).

removing / disconnecting it completely is maybe a better solution, as MrDude_1 said.
 
Thanks. There must be a CAN signal looking for the transceiver? This would set a transceiver failed message on the CAN bus.
If you remove the DCM completely, there are no trouble codes for it missing. If you leave it in, but antenna unplugged, it will have a internal trouble codes for the antenna. This doesn't show on the dash, but it is readable with a good scan tool.
The DCM transmits out its own error codes, but to my knowledge nothing transmits/faults for it not being there.
 
After a week of trying out my trial subscription to Starlink on my new 2020 Outback, I decided I wasn't getting enough value out of it to justify the security and privacy sacrifices, and cancelled it. However, I plan to go further by physically disconnecting my telematics antennas. If you Google "disconnect Starlink antenna" you'll find a few threads about it on other forums, but not all of them terribly helpful and none of them applicable to the Gen6. So I thought I'd share the results of my research.

WHY

First of all, why am I bothering with this? Exactly what security and privacy am I protecting, and why isn't service cancellation sufficient?

According to the Starlink privacy policy they collect and retain:



They'll share this information with "suppliers, roadside assistance providers, emergency service dispatchers and providers, anyone you designate as an emergency contact and our affiliates" and also with law enforcement if they receive a subpoena.

None of this is unreasonable or gratuitous; it all seems reasonably connected to the advertised functionality of the product. It's good that they only collect location data in response to crashes or service requests, rather than constantly. It's nonetheless more than I care to share. Even if they're not getting location data all the time I'm driving they're still learning a lot about my driving patterns on the basis of time and mileage. And I don't necessarily want the system automatically calling for help if I get into a minor single car accident; I might prefer to take care of it quietly than to get police and insurance involved.

Cancelling service presumably prevents most of this data collection. But without some significant effort at sniffing bus traffic or reverse-engineering the firmware, I don't really know this for sure. It could be that they're still collecting it all and just no longer giving me access to it. In most of the US, they wouldn't be running afoul of any laws that way.

For sure, though, cancelling service does not prevent Starlink from phoning home. If I wanted to reactivate my service, I could do so without ever touching anything inside the car. The car therefore must necessarily still be connecting to the cell network at least long enough to check up on its subscription status. So at the very least, Subaru is still getting a request containing my VIN every time I turn on my car, and they can use my IP address to deduce my approximate location. AT&T is getting similar information from my IMSI. I'm of course also leaking this same information to cell providers by carrying a cell phone, but at least that's easy to turn off or leave behind.

That's enough for privacy — how about security? An attacker who takes control of my Starlink account could use it to do some pretty scary things, like immobilize my car in the middle of the highway. Such an attacker could be a rogue Subaru employee or could be anybody who finds a vulnerability in their website or in the unit itself. There have been many such vulnerabilities already discovered, and you should take it for granted that there are more that are not yet known. Cancelling my service doesn't protect from this, since the attacker could just re-enroll me.

HOW

Ok, hopefully I've established that disconnecting your telematics antennas is something worth doing. Now on to how. Unfortunately, it's a giant pain in the ass and if you want to try to do it yourself you're going to at least need the service manual in hand.

There are two separate antennas. The main one is in the sharkfin. But there is also a secondary antenna, referred to in the service manual as the "telematics sub antenna", located behind the instrument panel. I'm not sure if the second antenna is just there for redundancy (in case the main one gets destroyed in a crash) or if they're tuned to different bands. The manual refers to them both as LTE antennas but it would make sense if the sub antenna were actually UTMS (3G). Regardless, they both need to go.

The path from the main antenna to the data communication module (where the transceiver is) passes through three different connectors, and one of them is easy to get at. It plugs into an antenna amplifier located at the top of the lift gate, which you can get to just by popping off the trim panel with your fingers or a plastic pry tool. This is the one labeled "An63" in the service manual. If it weren't for also having to do the sub antenna, I'd do this one myself and post a howto video. Sadly, the sub antenna is much harder to get to and I don't dare attempt it on my own (dammit Jim, I'm a security researcher, not a mechanic). There's only one connector, "An65", and you have to pull out the whole instrument panel in order to reach it. Nope, not gonna do that to my new car.

However, I've explained to my dealer's service department what I want done, and they're willing to do it. My appointment is March 2, and I'll update this thread afterward and let you know about any problems I encounter or the lack thereof. I'm not expecting any. It's just an antenna after all, and sometimes an antenna isn't going to have any signal, so the car must be designed to cope with that.

UPDATE 2020-03-02: Success! See this reply for how the dealer went about it and what the outcome was.
don’t forget the Black Box in the the car. It is tracking 15 data elements as you drive
 
don’t forget the Black Box in the the car. It is tracking 15 data elements as you drive
Are you referring to the federally mandated airbag recorder?
That is only capable of transmitting data when you physically have wires connected to it. It doesn't transmit out of the car. It's also built into the airbag module so you don't want to remove it.
 
I expect disconnecting the antenna will cause the starlink transceiver to transmit at full power through the maximum duty cycle unless there is a timeout for rural areas without cell coverage. It’s not clear to me how to stop the starlink function and current draw on the battery from the transceiver electrical load.
How about replacing the antenna with a proper load, so the system thinks its an antenna?
 
How about replacing the antenna with a proper load, so the system thinks its an antenna?
I haven't taken it apart but I'm going to bet that it's not seeing the antenna as a load, but rather it's having trouble connecting to the service. So you would have the exact same issue. I mean you can make a whole fake 3G service but at what point is this just overkill for unplugging it, jumpering speaker wires, and giving five volts to a Bluetooth microphone?
 
Are you referring to the federally mandated airbag recorder?
That is only capable of transmitting data when you physically have wires connected to it. It doesn't transmit out of the car. It's also built into the airbag module so you don't want to remove it.
Yeah I know.
in an accident the data can be accessed to determine what happened
the whole post is ridiculous
Starlink saved my ass when I had a aborted sudden death attack and drove the car into a tree
Starlink got first responders to the scene and after an Aortic Valve replacement I am back among the living.
 
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